What is the possible difference between "purple plums" and "plums"? I have a recipe that calls for both, and for the life of me I can't imagine what the difference is.
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From: [identity profile] clara-swift.livejournal.com


There are also yellow plums... perhaps it means those? Wouldn't think it would make a difference if you use all purple though.

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


Well, if they meant yellow plums, wouldn't the recipe say so. Literally, it's just "purple plums" and "plums". Which is a wee bit confusing.


From: [identity profile] murasaki99.livejournal.com


One recipe calling for both? Is it a period or middle ages recipe? There might have been regional cultivars of plums and the person writing the recipe was making a distinction based on knowledge of color or taste variations of the regional varieties. Nowadays, you have purple, black, red, and yellow plums. I've made lovely jam from the yellow variety.

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


It's an Elizabethan recipe, but updated and tested for modern cooks. The original mentions 'damisons' and 'corrans', which I think are the plums, but I'm not sure.


From: [identity profile] clara-swift.livejournal.com


Damsons are small purple plums... I know that much as I have a damson tree just outside my back door :o)

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


So, small purple plums and regular purple plums?

I hate it when cooks don't add notes for weird ingridients...

From: [identity profile] clara-swift.livejournal.com


Heh... look at this:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/1594-ghh.htm

It could be small purple and normal yellow or it could be damsons and normal sized purple plums. Google is not proving very useful!

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


You want a *really* frustrating cookbook, look up Apicus and Dining in Imperial Rome.

I mean, who cooks a *crane* in the first place?

From: [identity profile] murasaki99.livejournal.com


A crane? Um... I would think that might taste *very* fishy. I'll bet it was cooked purely as an asthetic table ornament. Ugh. That's like the pies with live birds in the shell the would fly out when the Lord or Lady cut the shell - the divertissement, wasn't it?

From: [identity profile] murasaki99.livejournal.com


Try medieval bread-baking. The modern folks who want to try are left with guessing on techniques because the baker's guilds taught orally and left almost NO notes. I did find a good article by a gentleman who has scoped out enough details through research and experimentation to make some very nice "fine white loaves".
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From: [personal profile] twistedchick


I think those are two varieties of plums -- damson and corran -- but I couldn't tell you which is what. I think both were supposed to be common in hedgerows.

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


Ha! I'll bring the cookbook tomorrow, and you can explain the weird stuff ;)

From: [identity profile] monsterbrain.livejournal.com


If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now.

From: [identity profile] nugatorytm.livejournal.com


I believe the difference between purple plums and regular plums is the color of the flesh inside. Normal plums have yellow flesh, while purple plums have dark purplish-red flesh under the skin. I have no idea of the names of the different types of plums, however. I'd ask your green grocer, or try a farmer's market.

From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com


If they wanted red-fleshed plums, they could have said. :P
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