So, for Thanksgiving, I went to
twistedchick's house, brought along apple tarts that I made myself, and some DVDs. We watched Pirates of the Carribbean, which I had never seen, and Batman Begins, which she had never seen, and waited for the turkey to be done.
Before I went home, she gave me herbed vinegar -- because I'm the only one she knows who comes close to cooking with vinegar as much as she does -- and her husband lent me 1632 and 1633 by Eric Flint, which I spent the rest of the night ripping through.
These are set of Alternate History novels, and they are delightfully cracktastic. I credit
temve and
the_little_owl, and their bunnies about fusing Star Wars with that era of history for the fact that I was even interested in stories set during the time period, which I really don't know that much about.
Take one West Virgina coal-mining town, circa 2000, and transport to lower Thuringia during the middle of the Thirty Years War.
Are you seeing the crack yet?
The first novel is a bit heavy-handed, a trifle preachy, and entirely too convinced that the Americans would do the right thing, instead of panicking. On the other hand, it's rather fun to imagine what *would* happen if you pitted pike and wheel-lock mercenaries against a bunch of pissed off Applachians with modern hunting rifles and pump-action shotguns.
The author has good points about most things, and has thought through things well. The time-displaced Americans make it a priority, after securing their safety and working on getting the winter food supply assured, to start gearing down their technology.
They can't keep producing the 21st century tech that gives them the superiority against the armies running amok during the Thirty Years War, but they have the resources to create an early 19th century industrial base, which is STILL enough superiority to keep the locals from slaughtering them.
However, I think the author has missed the importance of water power as an energy source and the importance of textiles to the 17th century economy.
The transported town has a functioning coal-burning electrical plant. Which will work fine, as long as they can keep machining critical parts for it. However, at the time, waterwheels would have been the power-source of note, and they have the tech available to machine water *turbines*, which are much more efficient. They could easily expanded their critical functions -- only three machine shops in the town, which all run on electricity -- if they spent time to build a water-powered machine shop, like the one that is still running at the Eleutherian Mills at the Hagley Museum in Delaware; water power was the original power source for industrialization, after all, and it required no more than a reliable river and a properly mounted waterwheel.
Using water power would allow the characters to expand their industrial base even faster, without overstressing the power plant they need for more vital functions.
Textiles are a bit harder, but they're *incredibly* time-consuming to make by human power alone, and used in just about *every* other industry of note. A spinning jenny is not an impossible goal, especially once you already know it is possible. A carding mill would be harder, since carding cloth has anywhere between 20 to 128 wires per square inch and currently is made on very specialized equipment -- but once you have the carding cloth, the mill itself is similar to an offset printing press in construction. Even automating lace production -- which is an insanely time-consuming task to do by hand -- is not beyond 19th century tech and an engineer clever with gears, and highly profitable. Automating looms is actually fairly simple -- and expands the *width* that cloth can be woven to, which is a lot more significant than it would appear at first glance.
I did like that in the two anthologies there was a story about the first sewing machine manufacturing company where some high-school kids figure out how to manufacture a treadle sewing machine using mostly 17th century technology, and a story about dyeing that ends with the realization that the coal for the power plant can also be used to make *aniline* dyes -- colorfast, vivid, and a path to riches that is mind-boggling if you have never thought about fabric dyes before.
The other part of the series I like really well is that the Americans are determined to disseminate their political and cultural ideas far and wide. Mostly because they want to preserve their culture, but also with the idea that having as many people as possible knowing about such things as civil rights, universal suffrage, sanitation, standardized industrial measurement, modern banking, and religious tolerance, it will make the surrounding society change enough so that *they* will be safe, or at least safer and less likely to be attacked by their neighbors, who will hopefully be too busy working on their own industrial booms to bother with anything else.
And it is rather amusing when Gustavus Adolphus shows up towards the end of 1632, tentatively interested in an alliance with the time-displaced town. Because that's when Eric Flint *really* throws a wrench in history and you have no idea what might happen next.
For anyone who is interested, both books and the first short story anthology Grantsville Gazette vol. 1 are available for free from the Baen Free Library -- the publisher has put several SF/Fantasy books online in free and readable formats, which sure as heck should be encouraged.
Before I went home, she gave me herbed vinegar -- because I'm the only one she knows who comes close to cooking with vinegar as much as she does -- and her husband lent me 1632 and 1633 by Eric Flint, which I spent the rest of the night ripping through.
These are set of Alternate History novels, and they are delightfully cracktastic. I credit
Take one West Virgina coal-mining town, circa 2000, and transport to lower Thuringia during the middle of the Thirty Years War.
Are you seeing the crack yet?
The first novel is a bit heavy-handed, a trifle preachy, and entirely too convinced that the Americans would do the right thing, instead of panicking. On the other hand, it's rather fun to imagine what *would* happen if you pitted pike and wheel-lock mercenaries against a bunch of pissed off Applachians with modern hunting rifles and pump-action shotguns.
The author has good points about most things, and has thought through things well. The time-displaced Americans make it a priority, after securing their safety and working on getting the winter food supply assured, to start gearing down their technology.
They can't keep producing the 21st century tech that gives them the superiority against the armies running amok during the Thirty Years War, but they have the resources to create an early 19th century industrial base, which is STILL enough superiority to keep the locals from slaughtering them.
However, I think the author has missed the importance of water power as an energy source and the importance of textiles to the 17th century economy.
The transported town has a functioning coal-burning electrical plant. Which will work fine, as long as they can keep machining critical parts for it. However, at the time, waterwheels would have been the power-source of note, and they have the tech available to machine water *turbines*, which are much more efficient. They could easily expanded their critical functions -- only three machine shops in the town, which all run on electricity -- if they spent time to build a water-powered machine shop, like the one that is still running at the Eleutherian Mills at the Hagley Museum in Delaware; water power was the original power source for industrialization, after all, and it required no more than a reliable river and a properly mounted waterwheel.
Using water power would allow the characters to expand their industrial base even faster, without overstressing the power plant they need for more vital functions.
Textiles are a bit harder, but they're *incredibly* time-consuming to make by human power alone, and used in just about *every* other industry of note. A spinning jenny is not an impossible goal, especially once you already know it is possible. A carding mill would be harder, since carding cloth has anywhere between 20 to 128 wires per square inch and currently is made on very specialized equipment -- but once you have the carding cloth, the mill itself is similar to an offset printing press in construction. Even automating lace production -- which is an insanely time-consuming task to do by hand -- is not beyond 19th century tech and an engineer clever with gears, and highly profitable. Automating looms is actually fairly simple -- and expands the *width* that cloth can be woven to, which is a lot more significant than it would appear at first glance.
I did like that in the two anthologies there was a story about the first sewing machine manufacturing company where some high-school kids figure out how to manufacture a treadle sewing machine using mostly 17th century technology, and a story about dyeing that ends with the realization that the coal for the power plant can also be used to make *aniline* dyes -- colorfast, vivid, and a path to riches that is mind-boggling if you have never thought about fabric dyes before.
The other part of the series I like really well is that the Americans are determined to disseminate their political and cultural ideas far and wide. Mostly because they want to preserve their culture, but also with the idea that having as many people as possible knowing about such things as civil rights, universal suffrage, sanitation, standardized industrial measurement, modern banking, and religious tolerance, it will make the surrounding society change enough so that *they* will be safe, or at least safer and less likely to be attacked by their neighbors, who will hopefully be too busy working on their own industrial booms to bother with anything else.
And it is rather amusing when Gustavus Adolphus shows up towards the end of 1632, tentatively interested in an alliance with the time-displaced town. Because that's when Eric Flint *really* throws a wrench in history and you have no idea what might happen next.
For anyone who is interested, both books and the first short story anthology Grantsville Gazette vol. 1 are available for free from the Baen Free Library -- the publisher has put several SF/Fantasy books online in free and readable formats, which sure as heck should be encouraged.
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I made the mistake of reading the last Orson Scott Card alternate history, and almost threw the book across the room when I saw what he did to Lincoln -- who was a brilliant *ambitious* man, and would not have been a riverboatman in any realistic reading of him.
These novels are just slightly preachy, and a bit full of 'America is the bestest!' which is more 'liberal democratic capitalistic societies with no aristocracy and strong unions are the bestest!' (the United Mine Workers of America local winds up playing a large role in the first book, in some rather amusing, wacky and believable scenes); on the other hand, they've got a lot of good stuff about how people in the 17th century weren't *stupid*, they just didn't have the tech. There is a wonderful scene when a 17th century doctor offers to lend his books to the modern doctors, and is appalled that they can't read Arabic, Greek *or* Latin.
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Glee.
Btw, why were you looking for them? For presents, or for yourself?
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Let's see what happens. It might just disappear into the pot, but it might get some interesting responses.
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Frankly, that seems low for a small town (~3,000 people?) of Appalachia in 2000. Especially since there would likely have been a serious drug culture where sex for drugs would have been a not unusual exchange. Not to mention people on meth aren't noted for their good decision making.
But at least people are replying, if only to say 'nothing sinks a story faster than the abortion debate'... which was not what I was asking about, I was specifically asking about 1630s tech for manufacturing birth control, and suggesting that lambskin condoms were unfortunately the best option, especially for female characters who were not really interested in pregnancy at the moment.
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And ahah. It says something about my internal dork that aniline dyes! was the first thing that popped into my head when you started talking about coal and the displacement, and yeah. Too much James Burke for me.
Thanks so much for the links.
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On the other hand, linen would have been a primary textile then, and it's NOT that easy to automate the spinning of that, compared to cotton or wool.
Heh, if you can get aniline dyes, you can get gaslight *and* sulfa drugs (they were derived from aniline dyes, of the crazy things!). And eventually, rayon and nylon -- and nylon truly was a wonder fiber.
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And yeah. I grew up in Delaware back when DuPont was still talking about itself as the inventor of nylon, so THE GLORIES OF COAL!!! and BETTER LIVING THROUGH SCIENCE!! are pretty familiar to me. I hadn't realized about the sulfa drugs, though.
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Oh, aniline dyes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniline_dye) are so cool. I did not realize that they were a precursor chemical in polyurethane -- that could be really, *really* useful for characters, eventually.
Did you ever get to the Hagley Museum? The powder mills are pretty damned nifty, and really part of the reason I think the author should bring up water power. The machine shop at the museum is a fully-functioning machine shop, run off a water turbine; that's exactly what you'd need to expand your industrial base.
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I wonder if the rivers or whatever in the displaced area were the right kind for mills. I know you can scrape by with marginal streams, but for Hagley-style production, you're going to need those broad, steady flows.
Man, I know nothing about the Thirty Years War. I need to remedy that. You should also point me to the locations if those Jedi-in-the-Thirty-Years-Wars bunnies have taken up and started breeding anywhere I might be able to see them.
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Rivers that aren't broad steady flows can be diverted into millraces. It's a lot of work, but since the were building canals at the time, they can certainly build damns and millraces.
Man, I know nothing about the Thirty Years War.
I didn't either, but Wikipedia is an okay place to start; there's an overview of the Thirty Years War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War) and a synopsis of the 1632 series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1632_series).
It's all
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Well, it certainly worked on *me*, as I bought the "Ring of Fire" anthology and the novel about Gallileo. I'm hoping that the novel about the Baltic War gets publised soon, because there is so much that could be done there...
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Why don't you drop the 1632 Tech Manual conference on the Baen website those thoughts on water power, in particular?
I love the free library that Flint orgnaised for Baen. I can experiment with new authors, pick up texts of books I've somehow missed when they came out, and rush out to my SF suppliers to order upcoming ones I'd never have known about - goodies all round. And it's not just books. Have you read those articles there by Janis Ian about how she sells far more CDs since she began giving stuff away on the net?
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Why don't you drop the 1632 Tech Manual conference on the Baen website those thoughts on water power, in particular?
I might. I really wondering how much textile knowledge there is. I mean, yes Mercedes Lackey wrote the dye-stuff story, but textiles *were* the industry behind automation, at least at the start, and it just doesn't seem like that's understood, based on the stories in the anthologies and the novels...