Sam & Gabriel Mini-Bang = so tempting

[neotoma]

The sabriel_minibang is open for sign-ups. I am so tempted.

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Should I write..?

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the Sam/Jess/Gabriel story where Gabriel is the music grad student (who is secretly and possibly unknowningly an archangel)
5 (55.6%)

the collar-fic where Gabriel really likes orders and Sam struggles with his own identity as a top
1 (11.1%)

the genfic spaceship AU where Gabriel is the ship's computer and Sam is a techie
2 (22.2%)

the sequel to Birds of Passage
5 (55.6%)

something else entirely, which you will detail in comments
0 (0.0%)

Comments

[jenab]

I've been wanting to get back to writing Sam/Gabriel again and this might be a good place to start. I just need to come up with an idea now.

[neotoma]

I've had luck trawling through kink-memes for story ideas, since not even request is for porn.

I am amused at how many people want GradStudent!Gabriel. I'd actually have to research what a music student studies, and what Gabriel's speciality might be... Music Education? Conducting? Sound Engineering?

[mistalagan]

Give in to the temptation!

(My music teacher, oddly enough, studied something like environmental ecology for her master's. It was an experimental program, and sounds quite strange. But quite a lot of music history and theory [at the undergrad level, at least—I'm sure by the time you get to grad studies it's a fair bit more specialized]. They had to tell how out of tune notes were down to the cent, for instance.)

I kinda wish there were a consistent, dedicated meme for plots that aren't necessarily porny (comment-fic seems to have too much emphasis on shortness, and the plot-bunny comms don't seem that organized), but I'm not sure what the demand would be like. I've certainly had ideas that I don't want to write, but which don't really make sense on any of the themed memes.

[neotoma]

The problem with writing MusicStudent!Gabriel is that he would be musically-talented and aurally-focused. And I'm neither.

I'd have to have an alpha reader who is primarily aural just to get Gabriel's perceptions right, and it would be a lot of work. Plus a lot of research into contemporary music theory so I'd have at least an idea about what Gabriel would be doing when he and Sam and Jess meet.

Kink-memes and comment-fic aren't quite there, yeah, but they are good resources. Since I have trouble writing anything under 10K, the idea that the prompts are for short fics doesn't really stop me, you know?

[mistalagan]

Mmm, well, he could actually have problems with the aural aspect (not every music person is born with perfect pitch, though it does help and can be learned), and be much more adept at time and rhythm, which are not necessarily aural and are equally if not more important parts. But, yes, it would require a lot of research. Is there any particular reason you chose music?

Re: comment-fic; it's not just that the prompts are for short fics, but that they're required to be short prompts. On the kink-meme, you get medium-sized prompts that tend to produce the most (and then the five-paragraph behemoths…).

[neotoma]

Okay, that's good to know. My problem is that I'm kinesthetic and visual, not aural, and while not tone-deaf, I'm not far from it. But I could have Gabriel working on cadence and rhythm, maybe?

I chose music because a) Horn of Truth and b) angels are singers... and seriously, I have trouble seeing human!Gabriel as an engineering student.

Overly detailed prompts drive me nuts. If the prompter has a plot worked out already, they should just write it themselves. I try to leave open-ended prompts when I leave prompts, with a vague idea so that the author can be inspired, not railroaded down a path.

[mistalagan]

Depends also on whether he's focused on performance, composition, theory, etc.

…yeah, engineering could be a little strange. But, y'know, Gabriel=communications and such.

But there's a happy medium! I like the ones, sometimes, where there's a setup but no real plot, and those tend to be too long (a few sentences, maybe) for comment-fic. I'm not fond of the really long ones either, though I can see where someone might feel like they don't have the time, or something (I've actually gone back and filled my own prompts, awkwardly enough).

[neotoma]

Gabriel would probably be focused on the least practically applicable sub-discipline, just because he's not exactly the pragmatic type.

Gabriel as a communication/journalism major? I could do something with that -- he's certainly nosey and obnoxious enough to be an ambush journalist.

A set up but no plot is often open-ended enough for me.

Funnily enough, most people as of this moment want to see the sequel to Birds of Passage... which I'd always intended to have only Sam and Gabriel as the POV characters from SPN, and all of the other POV characters be the female characters from Jericho, who never got enough voice in the series, even though they're all dealing with the upside-down world.

[mistalagan]

Something experimental to the point of making even the experimenters wary…though he would probably be able to bullshit enough to get somebody to pay for it. What was that one with (entirely) human!Gabriel where he'd studied mythology in college? It was short…

Aw, but now I want your college threesome! Well, Birds of Passage was fantastic. (Though I know very, very little about Jericho, which made the reading of it a bit confused first time through). And speaking of female characters, I'm still waiting for the nice, long genderbent fic that doesn't feel like either entirely different characters due to the OMG ESTROGEN or exactly the same ones with pronouns changed.

[neotoma]

Something so experimental that Sam can't understand what he's doing and keeps asking things like "So, when does the music start?" :D

I'm going to do whatever the heck my muses want to do anyway, but it's nice to know what people are interested in. I've been hesistant to do a sequel to Birds, because it would just about have to be more about Jericho than SPN, and frankly Jake's story bores me.

Sorry, the closest I've come to genderbent is a) intersex Gabriel due to being a werehyena and b) hermaphroditic werewolves because MPreg always makes me go 'but how does that *work*?!' Genderbending while keeping the characters believable themselves and yet still dealing with all the changed attitudes they'd deal with being the opposite sex is lots and lots of work, imo.

[mistalagan]

He just wants to be the next John Cage!

Yes, but your werehyena Gabriel was awesome, because (IIRC) he kept referring to human!Sam as feminine and little wolf!Sam as cute and masculine. And it would be a lot of work, which is why it hasn't been done, but it still makes me sad.

(So very much tempted to mock up an entire biology lesson for the alpha/omega trope. With anatomy and hormones and everything, and variations based upon the different ways people write it—like, ass-babies make slightly more sense if you imagine a cloaca, or you could go the separate vagina route. It would be a big bang in and of itself, though.)

[neotoma]

Gabriel would delight in being the next John Cage. Or maybe the next Trimpin (seriously, when I saw the documentary about Trimpin, there was an installation of one of his pieces -- an auto-playing glockenspiel made out of wooden shoes -- whimsical and bizarre!)

Well, werehyenas, you know that their gender dynamics are going to be bizarre. If I ever write the timestamps for that, poor Sam is always mistaken for a women in the werehyena cities, because he's so tall and broad-shouldered. And he realizes that Gabriel is really kind of short for a female werehyena, and sometimes gets mistaken for male. Add to that the fact that werehyenas practice omnigamy, Sam gets way too many offers from male werehyenas for his peace of mind ;)

Do it! I want your meta on the alpha/omega stuff. Though if you give people cloacae, you're basically making people into monotremes, which actually would explain things, like where does the milk for the ass-baby come from? Seriously, the six genders when I wrote Homo Homini Lupus Est was my attempt to clear things up on the biology front...

[mistalagan]

…please, please write the timestamps for that? I need to see poor confused hetero Sam. Would that mean (poor confused hetero) Jess is sometimes mistaken for male?

Monotremes? Eggfic! (Male galactorrhea, though nothing much is said of the nutritional aspects of it seeing as it's a pathology. Lalalala researching random things again when I shouldn't be…oh, look, Lipid Composition of Nipple Discharges of Women With Galactorrhea. It's a start. Now to find the full text. Hey, fruit bats!)

Agh, I'd need to get into evolutionary biology, too, wouldn't I? That would be fascinating. And the whole thing is full of potential theological arguments.

[neotoma]

No, Jess has visible breasts, so she's known to be female. Otoh, the werehyenas might only expect to see hypertrophic breasts on a *lactating* female, so everyone might assume she has babies. Otoh, werehyenas are so protective about their infants, Jess wouldn't be asked to trot them out for show, so she'd probably be in the weird position of everyone assuming she has a baby while being too polite to inquire about it.

Jess and Sam would be in the position of being mistaken for a f/f/m household in which Gabriel is the male -- a very small household by hyena standards, either very new or very poor -- and be assumed to be looking to auditioning for new members, which means young men making hopeful eyes at Sam and Jess and finding excuses to come by the shop on flimsy pretexts. Gabriel doesn't help much, because he *likes* the parade of cute young things making eyes at all three of them.

Monotremes and eggfic! If I ever do an AU where angels are just another species of person (instead of wavelengths of celestial intent that sometimes possess people), I might explain them as monotremes. ;) I mean, lots of people make bird analogies, but birds regurgitate their food to feed their babies... yick.

Oh, I *want*. Truly and deeply. Especially the theological arguments. :)

[mistalagan]

See, this all further reinforces the 'you need to write the timestamps for this'. Yup.

Urgh. Maybe sometime? After things no longer need to be done.

[neotoma]

What, Sam going beserk because everyone is flirting with his mates but not recognizing that they're also flirting with him?

Oh, I know about things needing to be done. I'm trying to pack to move. I'm not good at it.

If I ever write the collar-fic, it'll be the one time Gabriel is written as an omni-romantic asexual. And Sam seriously needs to just come to grips that he is a top and he wants to express that toppyness by taking care of his partner by making all the decisions. :D

[mistalagan]

Yes, that. The entire discussion, really.

Good luck with the packing. Definitely not my favorite thing, either.

…asexual who isn't Castiel? Asexual who's Gabriel? Yes. Please.

Man, I just want to make you write stuff now.

[neotoma]

Maybe I'll get to it this week, between the packing and the cleaning.

It's a bit of a stretch to make Gabriel asexual considering how much innuendo comes out of his mouth... demi-sexual, maybe? In that it's not really important to him most of the time, but it's kind of fun when you have an enthusiastic partner, but really he prefers snuggling and mindreading?

Lol. Well, you can be a cheerleader/alpha-reader/person who pokes me to get on with it.

[mistalagan]

Or it could be mostly posturing? But I can see how it could be a thing where he likes it because it makes his partner happy, but isn't in it for the sex itself.

*pokepokepoke*

[neotoma]

It could be that Gabriel built that persona as something that would 'fit in' among humans. I go back and forth on how much contact he actually has with people when he's The Trickster -- he could be fairly isolated, since he doesn't seem to actually be interacting with his victims and at least the first time was using a menial position to spy on them.

I think I could definitely write it as sex isn't something he's interested in for itself -- human bodies are fun and all, but in the investment/reward calculations, eating sweets takes less time for longer pleasure. Of course, if he says that, both Dean and Sam are going to give him appalled looks.

Keep feeding me ideas, and I might actually get something written.

[mistalagan]

I mean, he's interacting with humans in a way that none of the other angels really do, but still not in a way where he's at the same level. I think he'd actually be more comfortable with the gods, despite the squabbles and chance of discovery, but still have that sense of being an outsider.

The one where Sam thinks Gabriel has a ridiculous sex drive, and they're both doing it so much to please the other one, and there is lots of misunderstanding and confusion?

[neotoma]

No, he's definitely more savvy about humans than any other angel, but he's still detached from them. I too think he gets along better with the pagan gods -- closer to his power level and not so hampered by short lives and responsibilities.

Sam shouldn't talk about anyone's sex drive, Mr. Can't Stand Up Because Of Erection...

Seriously, I'm tempted to sign up for spn_hardcore_bb just so I could write some top!Sam being toppy. Maybe with the 4th season rewritten with Gabriel replacing -- literally, taking her over as a Vessel because he doesn't like the uppity demon messing with his favorite chewtoys -- in the story arc.

[mistalagan]

Aww, but I signed up for the kinky-bang (on my not-so-subtle sock account) and there's no appreciable difference except vaguely in timeline (and that hardcore_bb doesn't allow RPF) and I'm kinda annoyed at the overlap. Politics.

…what's vessel etiquette for brain-dead bodies? And bodies with demons in them? If it's automatic, why don't they just braindead (I say just, I know) the Winchesters? If it's not, does Gabriel have to go find the person? Or are we going with, 'Ruby lied'?

[neotoma]

I just stumbled upon hardcore yesterday, so it's not like I've made a commitment.

I think a demon might qualify as a 'soul' -- given that demons are souls that are tortured into being demons, having a demon in a brain-dead body might qualify it for 'human enough to be a Vessel'. I'm operating under the assumption that there has to be a soul for the angel to possess a person -- otherwise, Michael and Lucifer would be able to kill Dean and Sam and move right in.

Gabriel, being a devious son-of-a-bitch, starts messing with Ruby off the bat, and so Sam sometimes gets the Trickster, and sometimes has Ruby, but it's Ruby-on-a-leash, not Ruby operating for her own ends.

Also, I think Gabriel is attracted to Sam because he feels like Lucifer in some way. Enough that Gabriel is using Sam as a substitute, though if and how much he tells Sam about that, I'm not sure. Sam might think that the Trickster is pining after the Devil because he likes the chaos, not because he's missing a fallen sibling. Basically, kind of drk and twisted emotional maps for both of them. Sam taking out his frustration with his life on a willing body, and then being appalled at himself, Gabriel messing with Sam because he misses Lucifer, and only occassionally realizing that he's wallowing in really bad decisions himself?

[mistalagan]

I suppose? So he manipulates Ruby into consenting, then?

(Yeah, it's pretty clear that there has to be something in there; depending on how you view Swap Meat, it doesn't have to be the original soul.)

[neotoma]

Oh, I'm sure he lies to Ruby and she doesn't realize what she's agreed to. He is an angel and a Trickster after all.

We don't know if having the kid agree in Sam's body would have worked -- the demon certainly thought so, but I really doubt demons know that much about angelic possession. Lucifer might need Sam's specific soul as well as his body.

Otoh, Michael claimed that Adam wasn't "in here" when he showed up wearing the Winchesters' half-brother. I'm not sure if I'd take his word for it, though...